Reason # 1 why Katie never argues with Rob: Because Rob takes every single thing Katie says and twists it to mean something completely different than Katie ever intended.

That said. ..

False Epic. A phrase I wasn't so sure of using, but went on and did it anyway. I wasn't implying that anyone had to prodigious here-- I was more referring to the fact that the song was structured to give the listener the initial impression that THIS SONG IS HUGE AND IMPORTANT- THEREFORE YOU WILL LIKE IT. Which was supposed to tie into the whole music manipulating our minds point (that's why it lead that paragraph? oh!). And yeah. It sounds like the swell of a movie soundtrack or something-- which was great thinking on the producer's part, as it has most definitely garnered a huge following, but I just find the style and reasoning behind it to be particularly tiresome and deceiving.

hip hop vs baroque. YOU of ALL PEOPLE know better than to accuse ME of ALL PEOPLE of having a problem with using any sort of classical/jazz/whatever music in hip hop sampling. The only thing I ever said I had a problem with in terms of the music here is that it was a)heavier than I cared to hear, and b)used synthesized substitutes for real instruments. And I thought I stated very clearly that this was a personal preference, and i'll state here again -- i will QUOTE here again-- "fake sounding strings, piano, chorales, etc, especially if they're intended to sound real but just don't quite" is like nails on a fucking chalkboard to me. Therefore-- producers who ARE NOT trying to emulate *real sounding instruments* in their music, namely orchestral and chorale sections, either by using actual instrumentals or by completely not trying to do that at ALL are completely excluded, see-->Spank Rock and pretty much every other producer in the world who knows better than to pretend to be fucking Beethoven on a Korg. There is plenty of wonderful hip hop out there in this world that uses either actual instruments or at least sampling of those instruments, which YES it's more expensive, but it's not like T.I. OF ALL PEOPLE MAKING MUSIC IN THIS WORLD can't afford it, now, is it? And as far as movie soundtracks go, I can't stand them for the most part either, I think they're cheesy, repetitive, unoriginal, TERRIBLE for the most part, but that's going to take us off the deep end into a whole new argument about a whole new genre, and we don't need to mix this up anymore than we already have.

T.I. and Rick Ross are huge. It's obvious you don't listen to the radio, and therefore you don't hear the shit that is pumped into radio-listeners ears. I would've totally backed up your statement about people being interested in the producers a month ago before I started torturing myself by listening to Houston rap radio on a regular basis. Totally completely. But the dj's on the rap station in houston would have every single one of their listeners kneel down and suck off T.I. or Rick Ross in a collective world-wide worshipping session if they could. And the listeners that call into that station would do it too because they would do or say anything for free tickets to DJ SCREW FEST I fucking swear.

I did NOT say anything about southern drawl in general. I said HIS southern accent was WAY over-emphasized (NOBODY fucking talks the way he raps in that song unless they're from backwoods mississippi and were raised under a barn, YOU KNOW THAT). And what I said about his sustainment of that drawl was particular to the parts in the verse where I guess, as you say, he "rides the beat", which is apparently a total preference thing, and something I most definitely do not prefer in T.I.'s case.

And the ringtone thing wasn't so much a popularity detracting from quality thing as it was supposed to be emphasis for the whole point of that paragraph that the song is HUGE because we've all been brainwashed to think it's this really great song (because, like, OMG, it has BIG SYNTHS!)

And in terms of Aphex Twin and BOC, 2 musical groups I find completely irritating and boring to listen to partly because of the composition-with-shitty-sounding-fake-instruments. Spank Rock isn't SUPPOSED to sound like a fucking orchestra, or sound more "authentic" than lil jon. When did lil jon come into this anyway. Who said I hated lil jon?? Although Snap ya FAENGAZ is a bit of a headache, "Yeah" was fucking amazing.

And you're completely making shit up there at the end with trying to say that I implied anything about content of spank rock being any better than whatever the fuck you're talking about. Infact, I wrote a personal blog a while back that very blatantly spelled out that I rarely have any sort of connection/care with lyrical content in music period, so that's pretty much a non-issue and rob just trying to make katie look stupid for thinking put your pussy on me has more merit than say rick ross and his HAY GUYZ I SELL DRUGZ message. or even the other way around. because I think pretty much all the lyrics we're throwing around in discussion at the moment are pretty fucking meaningless for the most part.

Phew. Did I cover it all? I don't know. Who cares!

I sent you a pleasant text today. let's hug.

okok FINE rob.

and yeah, you can have my babies also, sure. just don't come begging me for child support after the fact.

"the whole point of that paragraph that the song is HUGE because we've all been brainwashed to think it's this really great song"

Hmm. I might have to do a post on this.

the point of *that* being that it's not a really great song at all. it just *sounds* like it should be. therefore we like it regardless.

i know this can be much better explained by someone with actual writing skills.